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		<title>Comment on Choke, prong and shock collars can cause  disease and possibly lead to cancer by Dr. Peter Dobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Peter Dobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 07:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Gladys ,  as a clinician,  you know that 24 years is enough to gain experience to see patterns of recurrence.  I  could choose not  publish your comment but I did because I  like an open discussion. 

I have seen a pattern  where neck  injuries and energy stagnation lead to cancerous lesions in the tissue related  to the  injured segment. Studies are expensive and often flawed and in reality, they  have not solved much when it comes to &quot;real cure of most chronic conditions and cancer. I do not consider the life time use of toxic drugs a cure.

I  would love to conduct more research and hopefully I  will, when the money is there. (Perhaps you would like to donate?)  Until then,  I will continue to exercise the freedom of expressing my opinion freely.  I have seen in my practice that neck injuries lead to chronic disease and possibly ( did you notice my wording in the title &quot;possibly&quot; ) also lead to cancer. No matter what your  opinion is,  I hope that you, as an MD, do not believe that choke chains create a greater degree of health.

My goal is to help and bring medicine to the common sense level. Good research doesn&#039;t ned to cost millions of dollars before a conclusion is reached. I do not want to generalize here, research has its place in medicine. However, because my profession has been lied to by many pet food and drug companies conducting their research, I trust clinical judgment more than their &quot;double blinded studies.&quot; Allow me to humbly say that so far, it has made a difference in the lives of many patients and clients.  I also do not deny that there is a lot to learn

With gratitude,
Dr. Peter Dobias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gladys ,  as a clinician,  you know that 24 years is enough to gain experience to see patterns of recurrence.  I  could choose not  publish your comment but I did because I  like an open discussion. </p>
<p>I have seen a pattern  where neck  injuries and energy stagnation lead to cancerous lesions in the tissue related  to the  injured segment. Studies are expensive and often flawed and in reality, they  have not solved much when it comes to &#8220;real cure of most chronic conditions and cancer. I do not consider the life time use of toxic drugs a cure.</p>
<p>I  would love to conduct more research and hopefully I  will, when the money is there. (Perhaps you would like to donate?)  Until then,  I will continue to exercise the freedom of expressing my opinion freely.  I have seen in my practice that neck injuries lead to chronic disease and possibly ( did you notice my wording in the title &#8220;possibly&#8221; ) also lead to cancer. No matter what your  opinion is,  I hope that you, as an MD, do not believe that choke chains create a greater degree of health.</p>
<p>My goal is to help and bring medicine to the common sense level. Good research doesn&#8217;t ned to cost millions of dollars before a conclusion is reached. I do not want to generalize here, research has its place in medicine. However, because my profession has been lied to by many pet food and drug companies conducting their research, I trust clinical judgment more than their &#8220;double blinded studies.&#8221; Allow me to humbly say that so far, it has made a difference in the lives of many patients and clients.  I also do not deny that there is a lot to learn</p>
<p>With gratitude,<br />
Dr. Peter Dobias</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by Dr. Peter Dobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Peter Dobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 07:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tegan, you may be surprised but for example Safeway and Save on Food chicken is full of hormones and is inferior to that of the top quality pet food companies that make raw.  I  suggest to source locally and go with non-medicated free range meat if possible.  Our  pets are our family!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tegan, you may be surprised but for example Safeway and Save on Food chicken is full of hormones and is inferior to that of the top quality pet food companies that make raw.  I  suggest to source locally and go with non-medicated free range meat if possible.  Our  pets are our family!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by Tegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but the raw pet food business is fraught with substantial risk.&quot; - There is a raw pet food business?!  I buy my raw food from human supermarkets.  I hope that human quality food is a lot less &#039;risky&#039; than foods labelled: &quot;PET FOOD ONLY&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but the raw pet food business is fraught with substantial risk.&#8221; &#8211; There is a raw pet food business?!  I buy my raw food from human supermarkets.  I hope that human quality food is a lot less &#8216;risky&#8217; than foods labelled: &#8220;PET FOOD ONLY&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by Aria Milan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aria Milan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article.  I had a cocker spaniel puppy and I decided to switch to a raw food diet when raising him after I heard about the melamine contaminated dog food on the market.  My puppy was much happier on the raw food diet but I had a hard time finding recipes for preparing meals.  Especially since a lot of articles (on the internet) regarding a raw food diet for pets usually fall on the extreme of both sides of the debate - one side being that a raw diet is dangerous and kibble is the most nutritionally balanced and the other side stating that raw is better.  Even among the pro side of the raw diet being best, there seems to be some contention as to what ingredients are better or what consists of a nutritionally balanced recipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article.  I had a cocker spaniel puppy and I decided to switch to a raw food diet when raising him after I heard about the melamine contaminated dog food on the market.  My puppy was much happier on the raw food diet but I had a hard time finding recipes for preparing meals.  Especially since a lot of articles (on the internet) regarding a raw food diet for pets usually fall on the extreme of both sides of the debate &#8211; one side being that a raw diet is dangerous and kibble is the most nutritionally balanced and the other side stating that raw is better.  Even among the pro side of the raw diet being best, there seems to be some contention as to what ingredients are better or what consists of a nutritionally balanced recipe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choke, prong and shock collars can cause  disease and possibly lead to cancer by Gladys Morrison, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gladys Morrison, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You had been asked to provide the study citations from which you base your conclusions. This is an absolutely reasonable request, and necessary in order to determine whether your conclusions are logical and reasonable. So far, I don&#039;t see that you have provided them. Are they listed elsewhere on your website? If not, will you please provide them? Thank you. G Morrison, M.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had been asked to provide the study citations from which you base your conclusions. This is an absolutely reasonable request, and necessary in order to determine whether your conclusions are logical and reasonable. So far, I don&#8217;t see that you have provided them. Are they listed elsewhere on your website? If not, will you please provide them? Thank you. G Morrison, M.D.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choke, prong and shock collars can cause  disease and possibly lead to cancer by Trixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI there,
My dog Trixie died of lymphoma at 8 years of age.  Like any cancer we did not know cause at first, but since being educated on the importance of the atlas bone, and other neck bones being in place to prevent nerve pinching, I am wondering if her leash pulling could have anything to do with it.  She was not a good walker and would run to the end of her leash with a jerk.  When 2-3 years old she would yelp when we touched her lymph nodes behind her legs.  She was diagnosed with an allergy and would be licking her paws a lot.  She got less energy, and slowly &quot;unwell&quot;, then the lumps on her neck appeared.  She lived for 2 more months diagnosed with lymphoma.
Needless to say I am using a body harness on this dog, and not allowing her to jerk her neck.  I watch how she shakes herself out and believe it is an animals way of &quot;straightening&quot; their spinout.  She shakes her body right from head to tip of tail, healthy.
Thanks for hearing my story, and it would be great to get the word out there, or have a study done.  Even doctors do not learn much about the importance of those nerves it seems, and it&#039;s left to chiropractors to try to fix the damages.
God bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI there,<br />
My dog Trixie died of lymphoma at 8 years of age.  Like any cancer we did not know cause at first, but since being educated on the importance of the atlas bone, and other neck bones being in place to prevent nerve pinching, I am wondering if her leash pulling could have anything to do with it.  She was not a good walker and would run to the end of her leash with a jerk.  When 2-3 years old she would yelp when we touched her lymph nodes behind her legs.  She was diagnosed with an allergy and would be licking her paws a lot.  She got less energy, and slowly &#8220;unwell&#8221;, then the lumps on her neck appeared.  She lived for 2 more months diagnosed with lymphoma.<br />
Needless to say I am using a body harness on this dog, and not allowing her to jerk her neck.  I watch how she shakes herself out and believe it is an animals way of &#8220;straightening&#8221; their spinout.  She shakes her body right from head to tip of tail, healthy.<br />
Thanks for hearing my story, and it would be great to get the word out there, or have a study done.  Even doctors do not learn much about the importance of those nerves it seems, and it&#8217;s left to chiropractors to try to fix the damages.<br />
God bless</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by kim</title>
		<link>http://www.peterdobias.com/community/2012/01/2664/comment-page-1/#comment-3541</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DR Collins! take your commercial food and feed it to the wolves! LOL I bet they are smart enough not to touch it. I am sorry to see so many people not trusting mother nature. This is why we see packs of wolves and coyotes charging pet food manufacturing facilities to get in and eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DR Collins! take your commercial food and feed it to the wolves! LOL I bet they are smart enough not to touch it. I am sorry to see so many people not trusting mother nature. This is why we see packs of wolves and coyotes charging pet food manufacturing facilities to get in and eat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by Layne</title>
		<link>http://www.peterdobias.com/community/2012/01/2664/comment-page-1/#comment-3536</link>
		<dc:creator>Layne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My girl Sweep, now nearly 12 years of age, has never had commercial food and had always had a home cooked diet. She is healthy, active and still, occasionally, herds sheep. When the pet food recall happened that saw many animals sickened or dying, we were deeply saddened and very, very releived that our beloved girl was safe because of our choice to feed her only natural, &#039;human grade quality&#039; food. We tried to introduce a raw diet and she is not interested in it. I think that is because she was already an adult when we tried. I would love to know how to provide an adequate raw diet for my 9 month old kitten!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My girl Sweep, now nearly 12 years of age, has never had commercial food and had always had a home cooked diet. She is healthy, active and still, occasionally, herds sheep. When the pet food recall happened that saw many animals sickened or dying, we were deeply saddened and very, very releived that our beloved girl was safe because of our choice to feed her only natural, &#8216;human grade quality&#8217; food. We tried to introduce a raw diet and she is not interested in it. I think that is because she was already an adult when we tried. I would love to know how to provide an adequate raw diet for my 9 month old kitten!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by jennifer Madore</title>
		<link>http://www.peterdobias.com/community/2012/01/2664/comment-page-1/#comment-3529</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer Madore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;m always one for a good debate, I&#039;m thrilled to see another veterinarian step up and politely, clearly, and directly object to the opinions of the first.  

My thoughts:  
* If a child in a home where a dog was fed raw were to be ill/die of anything that could remotely be attributed to the dog&#039;s raw food...I&#039;d have to question the owner/parent on their handling of any raw food in their home be it for the dog or their own consumption.  As with the handling of ANY raw meat, proper hand washing, washing of the preparation surface, etc is a must.  
* Dr. Collis, where have you been in the last 10 years and what is your thoughts on the numerous, repeated, often fatal to the animal, pet food recalls? How can you defend those. If the ingredients going into the commercial food was worth it&#039;s weight, the &quot;cooking&quot; and testing and ultimately preservatives and other additives would not be necessary.  
* Dr. Dobias, you are a godsend to this ever heated debate.  Your insight is from experience and that is something I take to the bank.  I applaud you for speaking up in an intelligent and articulate manner to dispell the teachings of the commercial food industry.  I wish that veterinary medicine education would include attention to this matter rather than &quot;trust&quot; the makers of whatever kibble is being peddled today.  Your dogs look healthy and are clearly active.  At 10, that&#039;s an accomplishment. Congratulations, I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve made a few clients in the process of defending this subject.

I adopted a 3 1/2 year old Husky/Lab cross almost a year ago and the previous owner fed him &quot;whatever was cheapest at Wal-Mart&quot;.  I discussed commercial food options with the local pet supply store (big chain) and found very little knowledge amongst the staff that I was comfortable with...the most interesting being &quot;you get what you pay for&quot;.  True, to a degree, as generally any commercial diet that seems to attempt an all natural avenue will cost you an arm and a leg to feed your dog...and you still don&#039;t REALLY know what&#039;s in it.  

I switched to a middle of the road option ($ wise) and found no improvement in my dog&#039;s coat, teeth, bowel movements, etc.  In fact, he rarely had solid stool at all and every three weeks or so had violent diarrhea.  That&#039;s IT! I researched raw options, discussed it with people who feed raw to their animals (here in Canada and in Australia where it is VERY popular) and couldn&#039;t see a reason not to try.  I happened to take him to a local vet during one of his diarrhea moments as I was concerned and when the vet opened the topic of what he ate, I took the opportunity to discuss a switch to raw.  I&#039;m delighted to report that she wholeheartedly supported me and has been positive about the changes in him since.

It took quite a bit of research to find a supply I could rely on and since switching, I have nothing but positive feedback.  Within a few days Bailey had a shinier coat (even more so now), and now has quite lovely teeth thanks to beautiful meaty bones.  His bowel movements are typical of those fed raw, small and solid.  Oh how wonderful it is that his body is truly using EVERYTHING I feed him as it naturally needs as opposed to the fillers and additives that move right through him to my lawn ($ literally on my grass that I will throw out). I&#039;m not far along enough to comment on any savings due to less visits to the vet but I&#039;ve read that it&#039;s generally one of the outcomes of a raw fed dog and that excites me as well. 

Yes, it&#039;s a little more expensive than the commercial diets.  Yes, you need to think ahead to thaw something out for the dog and a there&#039;s a little prep work...but my dog is beautiful and healthy and is regularly thought to be an active 2 year-old rather than an almost 4.5 year old now.  I&#039;m looking forward to a long and happy life with my best friend and I believe I&#039;ve made the right choice for the two of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;m always one for a good debate, I&#8217;m thrilled to see another veterinarian step up and politely, clearly, and directly object to the opinions of the first.  </p>
<p>My thoughts:<br />
* If a child in a home where a dog was fed raw were to be ill/die of anything that could remotely be attributed to the dog&#8217;s raw food&#8230;I&#8217;d have to question the owner/parent on their handling of any raw food in their home be it for the dog or their own consumption.  As with the handling of ANY raw meat, proper hand washing, washing of the preparation surface, etc is a must.<br />
* Dr. Collis, where have you been in the last 10 years and what is your thoughts on the numerous, repeated, often fatal to the animal, pet food recalls? How can you defend those. If the ingredients going into the commercial food was worth it&#8217;s weight, the &#8220;cooking&#8221; and testing and ultimately preservatives and other additives would not be necessary.<br />
* Dr. Dobias, you are a godsend to this ever heated debate.  Your insight is from experience and that is something I take to the bank.  I applaud you for speaking up in an intelligent and articulate manner to dispell the teachings of the commercial food industry.  I wish that veterinary medicine education would include attention to this matter rather than &#8220;trust&#8221; the makers of whatever kibble is being peddled today.  Your dogs look healthy and are clearly active.  At 10, that&#8217;s an accomplishment. Congratulations, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve made a few clients in the process of defending this subject.</p>
<p>I adopted a 3 1/2 year old Husky/Lab cross almost a year ago and the previous owner fed him &#8220;whatever was cheapest at Wal-Mart&#8221;.  I discussed commercial food options with the local pet supply store (big chain) and found very little knowledge amongst the staff that I was comfortable with&#8230;the most interesting being &#8220;you get what you pay for&#8221;.  True, to a degree, as generally any commercial diet that seems to attempt an all natural avenue will cost you an arm and a leg to feed your dog&#8230;and you still don&#8217;t REALLY know what&#8217;s in it.  </p>
<p>I switched to a middle of the road option ($ wise) and found no improvement in my dog&#8217;s coat, teeth, bowel movements, etc.  In fact, he rarely had solid stool at all and every three weeks or so had violent diarrhea.  That&#8217;s IT! I researched raw options, discussed it with people who feed raw to their animals (here in Canada and in Australia where it is VERY popular) and couldn&#8217;t see a reason not to try.  I happened to take him to a local vet during one of his diarrhea moments as I was concerned and when the vet opened the topic of what he ate, I took the opportunity to discuss a switch to raw.  I&#8217;m delighted to report that she wholeheartedly supported me and has been positive about the changes in him since.</p>
<p>It took quite a bit of research to find a supply I could rely on and since switching, I have nothing but positive feedback.  Within a few days Bailey had a shinier coat (even more so now), and now has quite lovely teeth thanks to beautiful meaty bones.  His bowel movements are typical of those fed raw, small and solid.  Oh how wonderful it is that his body is truly using EVERYTHING I feed him as it naturally needs as opposed to the fillers and additives that move right through him to my lawn ($ literally on my grass that I will throw out). I&#8217;m not far along enough to comment on any savings due to less visits to the vet but I&#8217;ve read that it&#8217;s generally one of the outcomes of a raw fed dog and that excites me as well. </p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a little more expensive than the commercial diets.  Yes, you need to think ahead to thaw something out for the dog and a there&#8217;s a little prep work&#8230;but my dog is beautiful and healthy and is regularly thought to be an active 2 year-old rather than an almost 4.5 year old now.  I&#8217;m looking forward to a long and happy life with my best friend and I believe I&#8217;ve made the right choice for the two of us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two veterinarians write on the topic of raw diet, is it safe or not? by Blessed Farm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blessed Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original article is so scewed, fraught with fear mongering and unsubtained assumptions.  I have been raw feeding my dogs and cats for 10 years, two dogs from weaning, and one of those since before conception.  All of my cats have been on raw since a very young age.  I have NO, ZERO vet bills, the only health issues we come across is when the dogs steal grains from the chickens (allergies).  I have a Maine Coon right now that is going on 9 years old, and you&#039;d not know it, other than the fact he has HUGE, gleaming fangs!  Have never had to have dental work done on any of them, all their teeth are plaque free.  Weston A. Price, a dentist who lived in the 30&#039;s studied the importance of traditional diets in humans, and the link between oral health and over all health.  I feel this link is true for ALL species, from my experience.  Also, Pottenger&#039;s Cats is an excellent study that proves that COOKED foods are extremely harmful for cats.  

I have a very strong concern, however, on commercially prepared so called &#039;raw&#039; diets.  Nearly every single one I have ever seen offered, short of being single ingredient products, have had added SALT.  Not sea salt, but sodium choloride, table salt.  I did have a new puppy that came in try some commerciall prepared &#039;raw&#039; food once, a multiple ingredient product, she had a HORRIBLE time on it, consumed water like a spounge, had much more issues with urination and elimination than she ever should have, and was very aggitated while on that food.  Once we graduated her off of it, onto WHOLE, prey modle fresh meaty bones and organs, ALL of that ceased.  

Honestly, the best thin one can do for their pet is to take the time to educate yourself and feed prey modle, raw meat bones and organs.  It&#039;s NOT that hard, nor rocket science, just learn to pay attention to what your dog/cat tells you as you go along, and make adjustements as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original article is so scewed, fraught with fear mongering and unsubtained assumptions.  I have been raw feeding my dogs and cats for 10 years, two dogs from weaning, and one of those since before conception.  All of my cats have been on raw since a very young age.  I have NO, ZERO vet bills, the only health issues we come across is when the dogs steal grains from the chickens (allergies).  I have a Maine Coon right now that is going on 9 years old, and you&#8217;d not know it, other than the fact he has HUGE, gleaming fangs!  Have never had to have dental work done on any of them, all their teeth are plaque free.  Weston A. Price, a dentist who lived in the 30&#8242;s studied the importance of traditional diets in humans, and the link between oral health and over all health.  I feel this link is true for ALL species, from my experience.  Also, Pottenger&#8217;s Cats is an excellent study that proves that COOKED foods are extremely harmful for cats.  </p>
<p>I have a very strong concern, however, on commercially prepared so called &#8216;raw&#8217; diets.  Nearly every single one I have ever seen offered, short of being single ingredient products, have had added SALT.  Not sea salt, but sodium choloride, table salt.  I did have a new puppy that came in try some commerciall prepared &#8216;raw&#8217; food once, a multiple ingredient product, she had a HORRIBLE time on it, consumed water like a spounge, had much more issues with urination and elimination than she ever should have, and was very aggitated while on that food.  Once we graduated her off of it, onto WHOLE, prey modle fresh meaty bones and organs, ALL of that ceased.  </p>
<p>Honestly, the best thin one can do for their pet is to take the time to educate yourself and feed prey modle, raw meat bones and organs.  It&#8217;s NOT that hard, nor rocket science, just learn to pay attention to what your dog/cat tells you as you go along, and make adjustements as needed.</p>
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